Questions About Scientology Part 1

 


Here are some questions on Scientology I have attempted to answer online in various forums gathered together . People are encouraged to ask more in comments or at ESMB or the Underground Bunker. I hope the format is easy to understand .

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I am a never-in and I have a question. Are Scientologists (especially at the lower levels) existentialists... Does Scientology have a philosophical foundation of existentialism? (The belief that life is objectively empty and meaningless aside from the meaning that you create for yourself.)

Mockingbird  •

Scientologists and Hubbard hold different views . He believed ideas best reflected in the affirmations , letter to his wife known as the "Skipper" letter and ideas generally not represented in Dianetics and Scientology.

Scientologists believe life holds absolute meaning .The further one progresses the more they believe that they are Gods with the current power to either regain Godhood or decline to a degraded state that is eternal blindness, amnesia , pain , self loathing and insanity. The state is considered too low to pick up a body.

Scientologists consider life to hold meaning - with absolute certainty. They have strong convictions and feel their beliefs account for every possibility and encompass all of life. Existentialism has elements in direct opposition to Scientology .

Off topic question but why do you think Miscavige in all the time since the release of OT VIII, didn't attempt to write himself (not likely) or have someone else write up some fake OT levels. It's not like Hubbard was responsible for writing all the OT material anyway. It seems like if people are in that deep they would believe just about anything. In all the research I've done on Scientology, this question still bugs me. The best I can think is that since OT VIII wasn't received well, he didn't want anyone to see it. Now instead of completely getting rid of the level, he just keeps everyone at OT VII except a select few for PR purposes. I do understand that there are other reasons for keeping people on VII, make a lot of money on those sec checks.

Mockingbird 

OT IX and X were promoted heavily as coming out when every class V org reached and maintained old Saint Hill size.

That has a long checklist that has varied but included two hundred full time staff and lots of students and auditing .You will never see it met . All the old guard Scientologists from the nineties and before remember that and would have to be disposed of quietly and without sorrow before that could be edited out without any fuss .
DM either has to get a hundred or so orgs with two hundred staff and a thousand or so dedicated public and about twenty five to forty thousand Sea Org members to run them and support them with books , CDs etc .

He would need to recruit one hundred and fifty thousand hard core Scientologists who all stay or R2-45 several thousand exes and current Scientilogists without raising any questions .

So , I think OT IX and X are permanently off the table.

When Hubbard died, or exteriorized, or whatever, weren't the faithful told that he was busily continuing his researches? And aren't they still actually waiting for him to come back? This part of the story has never made any sense to me. I mean really never made any sense. Are they still waiting for the return of Hubbard? Wouldn't New Hubbard keelhaul Miscavige?

Mockingbird  • 

We fanatics and zealots were told Hubbard had written up OT levels up to XV before departing to target two to give Scientology to another world .
We were told he realized just thinking of Earth was too small an order of magnitude for Scientology and beneath Hubbard's actual abilities.
In his grand magnanimity he sacrificed his chance to depart this universe and all its many traps to labor heroically and save another world out of his kindness and infinite generosity.
Now , I know it is all like the rest of Scientology bullshit.

So if his mind doesn't have enough brain cells to store his vast amount of info, where does he keep it? Mini-Storage? SMH
This guy is like Fox News. Frustrating and painfully inaccurate.

Mockingbird  

Hubbard claimed you have an electronic field around your body with millions of mental image pictures all through it .And that they made you crazy and he could free you from them .A con .


What do Scientologists think of critics ?

Mockingbird 

When you are in deep you consider all critics as crazy and look for inconsistencies - like the claim that Scientology is money obsessed - most staff and Sea Org think "You dumb fucks I don't make any damned money !!!" and by seeing that one criticism as obviously false they feel all the rest are also false .

You use your belief in the care free euphoric states auditing brings( with hypnosis , age regression and dissociation ) and the ecstasy and self hypnosis study tech brings as irrefutable proof of the miraculous technology you alone have ! In study tech you get confused via contradiction and have cognitive dissonance then have your mind taken off of it with the red herring misdirection of word clearing then in the moment of blankness the dissonance produces you get hypnotic commands from Hubbard implanted !

But he cleverly redefines all of this and tells you it makes you brilliant and able ! And as he redefines what experiences mean you come to accept it more and more , and he implants fallacies over and over to impair your reason more and contradicts himself over and over tying your mind up in the double think until it becomes a confused jumble in double binds - solved by submitting your will to his further and further .

Scientologists think and talk alike because their thoughts are just parroting Hubbard's doctrine as they become mental clones of him .
That is why they have meaningless circular nonsense conversations - in submission to him that is what is left in their minds . And they cannot even see it .

What is the end goal of Scientology for the individual Scientologist and if  you guys do not know and believe the Xenu story what do you believe ?

Mockingbird 
I was indoctrinated around when OT VIII came out .The completions talked in a different way and we lowly folks who had not done the advanced levels mimicked them to pretend status .

In some of the doctrine , like SOS and the factors Hubbard uses a lie that resembles certain gnostic ideas . In it his thetans long ago were much more powerful and capable . They did not need bodies and could affect reality by will alone . The fraud goes on to say thetans have eternal infinite power and potential knowledge .

As you get more of it the entire physical universe including time is described as illusion in the minds of thetans who came to play a game .

The idea he sells is that you personally were and are still a god with a capital G of your own universe .

Like the monotheist's idea of a creator who can make or destroy or influence ANYTHING within your universe.

In theory in the con you came through several universes , got confused , lost power by doubting yourself and lowered yourself to be vulnerable by your own gradual decisions over hundreds of quadrillions of years .

From BEING the eighth dynamic to being less and the seventh then the sixth then the fifth then the fourth then the third and second then down to running one body for one life .

It is seen as a dwindling spiral or series of concentric circles that collapse as a being fails at one they withdraw to the next and eventually have withdrawn to nothing . In this model the thetan became human and vulnerable to human suffering from killing countless trillions as it blew up planets in space opera .

It is seen as having the next stop being permanent eternal amnesia, blindness, deafness , pain and self loathing with no end . That is the lie Hubbard sold . He claimed to restore the full God status at the end of the bridge . I am not exaggerating one bit . In several references he claimed you could restore your full abilities and entirely escape this universe and all of its liabilities forever with Scientology .

Carl Sagan may have considered that an extraordinary claim .