Boundaries , Bashing and Disorders

 
 


I have found some information regarding the idea of boundaries and certain negative effects on them that being in the Scientology cult can create .

 First I am going to use a few quotes from Wikipedia to define some terms and ideas I will refer to or offer for consideration .

Personal boundaries are guidelines, rules or limits that a person creates to identify for themselves what are reasonable, safe and permissible ways for other people to behave towards him or her and how they will respond when someone steps past those limits. They are built out of a mix of conclusions, beliefs, opinions, attitudes, past experiences and social learning.

Personal boundaries operate in two directions, affecting both the incoming and outgoing interactions between people.These are sometimes referred to as the 'protection' and 'containment' functions.

According to Nina Brown's self-help book, there are four main types of psychological boundary:

• Soft - A person with soft boundaries merges with other people's boundaries. Someone with a soft boundary is easily a victim of psychological manipulation.

• Spongy - A person with spongy boundaries is like a combination of having soft and rigid boundaries. They permit less emotional contagion than soft boundaries but more than those with rigid. People with spongy boundaries are unsure of what to let in and what to keep out.

• Rigid - A person with rigid boundaries is closed or walled off so nobody can get close to him/her either physically or emotionally. This is often the case if someone has been the victim of physical abuse, emotional abuse, psychological abuse, or sexual abuse. Rigid boundaries can be selective which depend on time, place or circumstances and are usually based on a bad previous experience in a similar situation.

• Flexible - Similar to selective rigid boundaries but the person has more control. The person decides what to let in and what to keep out, is resistant to emotional contagion and psychological manipulation, and is difficult to exploit.

According to Hotchkiss, narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist will be treated as if they are part of the narcissist and be expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.

Freud, following Gustave Le Bon, described the loss of conscious boundaries that could occur when an individual was caught up in a unified, fast-moving crowd.
 From the article :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_boundaries

TWO RULES FOR HAPPY LIVING
        
     “1. Be able to experience anything.
    
     “2. Cause only those things which others are able to experience easily.”
Ron Hubbard

Notably the two rules for happy living are actually the  concepts a victim of abuse who is taught to blame themself only and admire an other or others  only would follow . They would try desperately to always impossibly make another happy and accept any treatment without concern for self as acceptable . They are rules for a slave and victim who never fights back or demands any rights . Not my idea of happiness.

The TRs are obviously an attempt to among other things destroy and reset boundaries . The auditor becomes used to controlling the  victim to a degree that establishes improper dominance and boundary violation as the victim comes to believe their mind is laid bare and has no boundary of privacy . They also lose the right to define reality as Hubbard's reality supplants their own and not having requested incidents is not accepted and the assumption of the auditor , C/S and Hubbard knowing the victim's past  and present better than the victim is enforced over and over . The same is true in indoctrination where Hubbard's absolute infallible rightness is a firmly established boundary , but any doubt , disagreement or recognition of contradiction or error in Hubbard's doctrine is used to justify the violation of the intellectual integrity of the victim - there must be something wrong with them : a MU or Overt or something within the victim is improper NEVER Hubbard himself . Over time and thousands and thousands of repetitions this becomes the thinking of the cult member and deviating becomes completely unacceptable .

Hubbard wanted his victims to take on no boundaries regarding him and have his thoughts be senior in authority to theirs while having any conflicting thoughts fought viciously with rigid boundaries . And eventually any disagreement whatsoever to be removed .

Following is a statement that means for the cult member to at first knock out of their mind and the environment any ideas that conflict with Scientology and then knock out any ideas and thoughts that are not Hubbard's .  This is an absolute level of authority and when one understands Scientology's system of rewards and penalties in entirely built on rewarding upstsats and penalizing downstats a new dimension is added .

Remember in Scientology a stat is something measurable . And only that .


Let's look at the entire basis of the value Hubbard saw in others :

STATISTICS—WHAT THEY ARE

What is a statistic? A statistic is a number or amount compared to an earlier number or amount of the same thing. Statistics refer to the quantity of work done or the value of it in money.
A down statistic means that the current number is less than it was.
An up statistic means the current number is more than it was.
We operate on statistics. These show whether or not a staff member or group is working or not working as the work produces the statistic. If he doesn’t work effectively, the statistic inevitably goes down. If he works effectively, the statistic goes up. Ron Hubbard 

So , his entire idea of another person 's value is in if they generate income or perform labor FOR him .  That is entirely seeing others as objects and not people at all , slaves to be broken and trained  -  not even really people . Once you thoroughly understand the whole foundation of Hubbard's ethics and tiered caste system it is clear he has no regard for others as people but instead sees us as a kind of robot race that requires special deceptive programming to operate . He held no compassion for us and saw himself as entirely outside of and far , far more worthy of consideration than the entire human race . Our only value was in producing labor and money for him that he desired .



The purpose of ethics is to remove counter-intentions from the environment. Having accomplished that, the purpose becomes to remove other intentionedness from the environment HCO PL 18 June 1968  Ethics  Ron Hubbard




Boundaries - narcissists , malignant narcissists and sociopaths demand unrealistic or impossible boundaries for themselves and do not accept or respect anyone else's and are infuriated due to perceiving others boundaries as violations of their own . Non personality disordered individuals Npid , what might be called normal by some , generally can perceive, establish , recognize and respect boundaries for themselves and others , particularly over time - at least better than the disordered . Codependents cannot establish boundaries as well or perceive violations in their boundaries .They also may mistake abusive treatment that violates their boundaries as acceptable and the arousal from abuse as excitement and enthusiasm. They can become uninterested in attention from Npid as they mistake trauma and positive attention from boundary violators as desirable and even enjoyable .

This is epitomized in the smart women who make horrible choices in men over and over . Or the hot chick who could get any guy who only dates jerks or A holes that cheat or bikers that beat and rob her .

These women have families that beg them to go out with nice or decent guys and refuse .I don't mean they only give out with bikers - they only go out with guys with the same obvious exaggerated antisocial personality disorders and behaviors . And the women never learn .

The same behavior occurs in men , but it is less obvious socially as most men do not know as clearly if they are seen as attractive by most women or not .

But some men only seek groups or jobs that are abusive and treat more acceptable jobs and groups as actually being unacceptable and abusive .

There is some degree of individuality in picking jobs and mates but these patterns may in fact be true . This potential hypothesis would require extensive validation to be validated .

Abusive groups like Scientology create a tiered abusive system . It goes something like Hubbard plays the pure malignant narcissist God role who may violate and ignore any boundaries or set or change them for others in any way and he is always right . Next comes his proxies for some , for some a proxy may even equal or replace Hubbard in authority .

Next comes for completely submissive orthodox Scientologists DM , then via Scientology's convoluted caste system a certain degree if variation occurs .
Now it gets complicated , so I will use one hypothetical example . A member of RTC may act as a codependent toward DM and accept abuse but toward anyone below them in rank or status they may act narcissistic without question as long as it aligns with submission to Hubbard ( and his doctrine ) and DM and any other high status Sea Org members .

The RTC member may have a junior way down at a CLO level who does a complex dance involving dozens of seniors .

The seniors all are accepted as being allowed to be abusive and to violate juniors boundaries while demanding their own be firmly established and damn sure respected . This is complicated by people at undefined levels regarding which group is senior and conflicts between CMO and GOLD and IAS staff have occurred .

And further complicated by DM holding unrestricted power over all and being able to favor a low ranking person over others higher in rank . And many Sea Org members have friends and family at different levels within the Sea Org . So a low ranking member could sick a high ranking member on seniors as revenge .

And this is further complicated by many Sea Org members having relatives that are public and particularly wealthy whales and famous celebrities . The Sea Org doesn't want a movie star or millionaire to be infuriated to hear their kid was made to be broken with torture on the RPF for laughing when DM walked by .That is an offense that a normal Sea Org member may experience.

Really , the ethics protection idea is allowed to be thrown away at will by other authorities in Scientology ? Huh , that's because when the system has narcissists and sociopaths at the top and  they can ignore the boundary of the lower person at will .

That fits the agreement breaking and accompanying insecurity in abusive relationships . Scientology ultimately in my opinion is based very covertly through many redefenitions of terms on Hubbard's desires . He wanted to fool others into being willing even adoring slaves and as a malignant narcissist that fits the classic "I want to have the world and life itself conform to my very will - with no regard for others desire at all , I want to be God and have all of life respond as if under my control without reservation or hesitation " or  in the form an earlier sociopath used before Hubbard plagiarized it - The law of Thelema is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will." The law of Thelema was developed in the early 1900s by Aleister Crowley, an English writer and ceremonial magician.


These men had  only their own interests at heart and used thousands and in Hubbard's case millions of lies to twist and distort ideas to the end of controlling and distorting boundaries . I think many ex Scientolgists and Scientologists would do well to study boundaries and how the personality disordered , particularly narcissists , malignant narcissists and sociopaths take advantage of and encourage the creation of  borderline personalities and codependents . I feel Scientology has altered many individuals to partially or fully take on personality disorders .

To be clear a victim of Scientology may walk in without a personality disorder and by the gradual thought reform process in Scientology rewarding and encouraging the breaking down and resetting of boundaries they may act as codependents or narcissists or  if fortunate enough to not become disordered they may at the least have a wealth of false information adversely affecting their relationships . And that may manifest in unhealthy boundaries . I hope this helps and primarily want it to encourage further study as a bread crumb to show a possible worthwhile are for some to explore .