Exteriorization Versus Dissociation
Re: Exteriorization VS. Dissociation
Here are some links with info on hallucinatory dissociation . In
some hypothesis on dissociation the OBE is explained as a form of
dissociation that involves very vivid , more real than normal memories
and very convincing hallucinations. Several experiments have been
reported to reproduce OBEs and that the researchers concluded they are
entirely hallucinatory in effect.
The following links have info on the experiments and the conclusions reached in great detail .
http://polatulet.narod.ru/dvc/tmet/the_ego_tunnel.html
And here is a quote from another link :
[h=Experimental manipulations of the sense of self-location]3[/h]Self-location
has been mainly investigated through experimentally induced
out-of-body experiences (OBE). The experimental paradigm to induce an
OBE in healthy subject consists in participants wearing a head-mounted
display (HMD) occluding the physical body and displaying the back of
their own body -or that of a mannequin- as filmed from a distance of
roughly two meters. The visual perspective then coincides with the
location of the real body and is dissociated from the location of the
virtual body seen through the HMD. The illusion is then triggered
through congruent visuotactile stimulation on the real and fake body.
When synchronous visuotactile stimulation is delivered on the back
(Lenggenhager et al., 2007),
most participants experience the illusion of looking at their body
from the outside, similarly to what is reported in OBEs of neurological
origin (Blanke and Mohr, 2005). This illusion is associated with illusory changes in self-location,
with a systematic shift from the participant's visual perspective
toward the seen body. Such a drift has been consistently found
throughout a variety of assessments: the “walking task ” (Lenggenhager
et al., 2007) and the “mental ball dropping” task (Lenggenhager et al., 2009) provided explicit measures of the perceived self-location
in external and body-centered reference frames respectively, while the
crossmodal congruency task (CCT) was used to implicitly assess self-location through the localization of tactile events in the external space (Aspell et al., 2009).
Functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) revealed that these illusory changes in self-location correlate with activity in the temporo-parietal junction (TPJ) and the extrastriate body area (EBA) (Ionta et al., 2011). The implication of the TPJ was consistently found in lesion studies on neurological patients suffering aberrations in self-location (Blanke et al., 2004). Focal electrical stimulation of the TPJ was further shown to systematically trigger OBE (Blanke et al., 2002). End Quote.
Here is the link for that http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4161166/ :
Now I saw a video regarding several experiments and studies that
asserted the replication of the experience of being away from or outside
one's body via VR or electrical stimulation of certain brain regions as
creating the experience in a controlled reproducible way .They all
concluded the experience is entirely hallucinatory .
Besides the thing about these things is to me if you engage an unbaised
requirement for proof and reproducibility you are to me sunk if you have
your happiness tied to confirmation bias that exteriorization validates
spiritual states which validates immortality which validates personal
immortality for those that believe . Plainly some who want only data
that leans toward or may be interpreted as showing exteriorization as
real do so not out of honest inquiry but from a " How can I prove what I
need to believe to be happy with my findings ? " approach .
Look , if OBE are genuine as the exteriorization promised in Scientology
then why has no one started ever validating them ? I am not talking
rumors of CIA backed remote viewing but about someone actually going " I
can tell you what is behind a wall "and winning the prize from James
Randi or demonstrating on what is behind something and with a high
reproducibility to validate their ability or their philosophy or
religion as producing miracles ?
Think logically if even one human being in modern times , say the last
thirty years was willing and able to consistently produce anything ,
even inconsistently resembling many claimed OT abilities it would be
documented and filmed and tested and net them fame and fortune .
There are tens of thousands of claims of such feats , probably every
year . But none are ever able to work in controlled settings that an
expert stage magician uses to detect and neutralize fraudulent claims .
The psychics cannot show anything remotely accurate or convincing or the
telekinetics . They can never in controlled conditions move a tiny
piece of metal foil at all , not even once for a million dollars EVER .
James Randi and several other skeptics have repeatedly shown that many
psychics are frauds using cold reading and once explained they look like
con men .On Youtube if you type in exposing psychics I found very
convincing videos in which high profile psychics such as John Edwards
and Theresa Caputo are to my mind shown to be entirely deceptive and
cold readers and even that Theresa uses plants and outright lies to
people and she and her son and husband all know .
Derren Brown also exposes many frauds in great detail in several videos quite well .
Here is a link to the James Randi Foundation for any mighty OT who can use a million dollars : http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html
I am very sorry but if you could do any of several hundred OT abilities
the world would be a very different place . Aside from Hubbard never
needing OSA and the GO as he could have spied by leaving his body and
visited enemies himself , he could also have read minds to get info and
predicted the future and...
Not to mention never healing anyone despite many claims and promises of
OT powers and Scientology processes both to routinely heal the sick and
make the blind see and even dead rise .
Look we all have a natural desire for order and fairness and living
forever and Scientology through sublime writing stirs that emotional
appeal ( a fallacy ) to encourage our need for security and safety ,
and what is safer than living forever and all OT powers by implication
point to immortaliy as a materialistic explantion does not cover them so
we want the claims supporting a spiritual proof to be right
instinctively . Think of not just Scientology but all the billions of
people who have lived and that it is reported that over 85% of people
have some spiritual or religious beliefs even if they conflict with
sciences they study . I am not saying the religions are wrong ( I can
neither prove or disprove God ) but that the people do not in fact
perform the miracles or OT feats claimed or someone somewhere in modern
video-tapable scientifically verifiable times should have stepped up to
the plate and done it , even once ever .
I am not saying even extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof -
even adequate or verifiable to a convincing degree proof - has to my
knowledge never been brought forth . But lots and lots of claims are
made and remade to create a mystery and a maybe and you can look only at
the repeated pattern of claims but it may just be a pattern of the same
hopes being exploited over and over .
Think about it just from Scientology : we were supposed to have
thousands of OTs who should be spending a lot of time hanging around
hospitals and healing sick kids or even their own family members or
winning the lottery or in Vegas or predicting sporting events or reading
minds and helping police solve crimes or , if they are in the SO or
follow Miscavige stopping critics from typing on ESMB by postulate or
telekinetically crushing me ...OUCH !
or if indies or freezoners using their powers to stop critics from daring to besmirch the holy tech or Hubbard's " good name " .
EVERY act of defiance and J & D serves to prove the OT powers myth
is just that , certainly for all Scientologists and Scientology.
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