Friday, May 24, 2024

Scientology Reflections (10) 10 Years After Leaving-Putting Together The Pieces

Scientology Reflections (10) 10 Years After Leaving-Putting Together The Pieces


This is the tenth post in a series that I am publishing in 2024. The series is on the journey I have been on AFTER leaving Scientology and Dianetics and what my experiences were, and mistakes I made, and things that I learned, some shortly after leaving Scientology and others further along the way, even up to the present day. Some of this involves Scientology and Dianetics. Some involves the process of leaving a cult. Some is just knowledge that I could have benefited from knowing sooner, that may even be unrelated to the cultic topic entirely. 

For anyone who is unaware, I was in Scientology for twenty five years, between 1989 and 2014. I left in 2014 and discovered that Scientology is a harmful fraud and jam packed with lies and further it is composed of techniques plagiarized from other practices and sources. Ronald Hubbard had the ability to take a practice, file off the serial numbers and repackage it as his own in first Dianetics and later Scientology. 


L. Ron Hubbard. “Ron looks to the future with the sea org, ”

 Ronald Hubbard. 


A couple of things I wanted to highlight have been things that I found help myself and many people to understand cults, understand Scientology and recover from Scientology. 

I am using a present tense for describing recovery because for me recovery is an ongoing process and not something that has ended. 

Talking about the ideas and practices in Scientology is among them. It's been done by some people like Jon Atack on his YouTube channel and I have seen that for years.

Now I can say with the recent addition of perhaps thirty or so new YouTube channels devoted to Scientology I am finally seeing far, far more people looking at their own time in Scientology and the Sea Org and how they were treated.

People are in my opinion able to overcome to some degree from the dissociation that occurred in Scientology, often from abuse and trauma and often during periods of trance states (induced by Scientology practices including the auditing and indoctrination techniques).

The theory related to this is explained in the book Terror, Love and Brainwashing by Alexandra Stein. In brief there is an idea that one half of the human brain is associated with emotions and artistic creation and the other half is associated with logic and reason. During trauma and dissociation they may be knocked out of being coordinated together.


Often cult members exhibit memories of their experiences within the cult that don't match the appropriate emotions for such memories. This usually is unsettling for non-cult members to witness. The same is true for people who have traumatization from other sources such as veterans with PTSD, victims of sexual assault, victims of childhood abuse and abandonment and prisoners. 

Professor Margaret Singer interviewed over four thousand ex cult members over decades and was a top cult expert. She described this phenomena and the concern of family members who witness the emotional flatness of ex cult members who come home. She recommended letting them talk to their family members and be listened to. She described how the process of being able to get their own feelings and thoughts out can help them to integrate their emotions and ideas and this is a part of a gradual recovery.

I tend to agree that this is helpful for some ex cult members, maybe the majority. I believe that it is helpful for the participants and it may even help to witness this for ex members. It can also help non members to see the effects of Scientology, the ideas and practices in Scientology, and finally the process of recovery from Scientology. This is my opinion can greatly demonstrate what Scientology is and does to non members. 

So, I want to strongly encourage the people who are having these conversations on videos, in person, in groups or in any other format. 

I think the vast, vast majority of people who spent long periods in Scientology with heavy indoctrination need help to recover. Obviously every person is an individual, so a generaliity may not be accurate for you or any particular individual. You can have a different experience due to a variety of factors.

That being said, if like myself a person spent hundreds or likely thousands of hours being indoctrinated in Scientology doctrine over twenty five years it is extremely unlikely that I or someone else in that situation would recover from Scientology with no effort. 

The availability of therapy and reluctance by ex Scientologists to be vulnerable to therapy both make other options for recovery essential. Plainly, we are not all going to get therapy, so we need other options. 

I am not recommending for or against therapy here. I am just pointing out that we are not all going to get therapy, so even if it is capable of helping people recover from Scientology 100% 100% of the time, it's still not enough for ex cult members.

"Truth emerges from the clash of adverse ideas." ~ John Stuart Mill



The other idea that I wanted to highlight here is that a great way to learn about cults is to look at the parts of cults such as the behavior of people who lead cults and their relationship with the followers described in the book Traumatic Narcissism by Daniel Shaw and again Terror, Love and Brainwashing by Alexandra Stein.

You can see this behavior again in abusive relationships and in human predators. 

A very useful way to gain insight about cults in my opinion which continues to yield benefits over and over is to look at parallel groups. 

You can have a person describe the real actions that they witnessed and carried out in a cult and see the fact that they have many common traits. You can find differences at times, but you can continue to learn by just listening to the history of these groups and the very specific things that people who were in the cults felt, thought, did and believed and experienced while in these groups. 

A notable example: I saw an ex Neo Nazi explain how every day he woke up and he hated people who are not Neo Nazis all day, every day when he got far enough into the group.

It immediately reminded me of times that I had witnessed Sea Org members state that "wogs" (people who are not in Scientology) think like psychs! (psychs are psychologists and psychiatrists in Scientology, and seen as causing the ruin of the universe.)

 In Scientology psychs are blamed for ruining the universe for billions of years and turning it into a trap and prison for spiritual beings that damns them to a fate of being blind, deaf, with amnesia and pain for eternity. Psychs are described as insane and evil and trying to destroy everyone and everything, forever. 

This happened today. Ten years after leaving Scientology and many, many hundreds of hours into examining Scientology and other cults. 

And I have had many, many other similar experiences of seeing common trends or patterns in the features and components of cults after looking at different ones and different stories about them. 

You can have an "aha!" moment or an idea crystallized after any length of time, the penny can drop at any moment. 

So, I wanted to emphasize that if you want to learn about cults and recover that in my opinion two methods may be useful. 

Discussing the experiences that you have had if you were in the cult can bring relief. If you were never in witnessing this is often greatly useful for gaining insight.

Even writing about these experiences is often helpful for ex members. 

Additionally, you can gain great understanding by looking at different cultic and abusive groups and seeing the similar traits they have. It just seems to grow and grow from looking at the different groups and the most accurate history of the members, especially if you see the inner thoughts and feelings of the members themselves. 

I hope this is helpful. 

The following posts are referenced or related to the post above.


Here's a link to my blog archive by topic:


This group of posts is on the book Terror, Love and Brainwashing by Alexandra Stein

In Depth Analysis of Books and Videos





The following is on the book Cults In Our Midst by Margaret Singer



The following two posts are on the book Traumatic Narcissism by Daniel Shaw




Scientology Reflections (10) 10 Years After Leaving-Putting Together The Pieces

Tuesday, May 7, 2024

Scientology Reflections (9) Too Much Information!!!

 Scientology Reflections (9) Too Much Information!!!



This is the ninth post in a series that I am publishing in 2024. The series is on the journey I have been on AFTER leaving Scientology and Dianetics and what my experiences were, and mistakes I made, and things that I learned, some shortly after leaving Scientology and others further along the way, even up to the present day. Some of this involves Scientology and Dianetics. Some involves the process of leaving a cult. Some is just knowledge that I could have benefited from knowing sooner, that may even be unrelated to the cultic topic entirely. 

For anyone who is unaware, I was in Scientology for twenty five years, between 1989 and 2014. I left in 2014 and discovered that Scientology is a harmful fraud and jam packed with lies and further it is composed of techniques plagiarized from other practices and sources. Ronald Hubbard had the ability to take a practice, file off the serial numbers and repackage it as his own in first Dianetics and later Scientology. 


From Study.Com:

"The recency effect states that individuals best remember the last items on a list. The primacy effect states that an individual will also likely remember the first item on that list. The middle items on the list are the least remembered."

I have written over six hundred posts on Scientology at Mockingbird's Nest blog on Scientology and between my blog, Quora and the Ex Scientologist Message Board (ESMB) my posts have reached over one million views online. 

This has taken ten years (2014-2024) and many, many hundreds of hours of reading books and articles and watching videos and writing to achieve.

One of my favorite authors in this journey has been Adam Grant. Adam Grant is a professor at Wharton business school who specializes in organizational psychology. 

He has written several excellent books including Give and Take. I wrote a blog post based on that book detailing my realization that the oversimplifications in Scientology regarding people just being either pure good OR pure evil are incorrect.  These ideas are presented in The Scientology Introduction to Scientology Ethics Book.

I recently saw a video in which Adam Grant described the primacy effect (we tend to remember the first piece of information in a series) and the recency effect (we tend to remember the last piece of information in a series). He described how we tend to forget the information we get in the middle when there are three or more pieces of information. 

It is kind of funny, because I have been writing and writing for a decade and now I get to see that people have probably forgotten more than they have remembered out of the many tens of thousands of words I have written.

Oh well, such is life. Might as well try to laugh instead of cry at the sheer absurdity of life. 

Well, if you have read my posts in the past, thanks, and if you have retained the information somehow, thanks even more. My intention was that the information be understood, retained, considered and to whatever extent it could help people on an individual basis, that it did. 

I hope that the fact that people may not retain more than two pieces of information is mitigated by the fact that written information can be looked at multiple times over time and hopefully different things can be learned and retained upon multiple readings. 

I hope that in the future I can limit my posts to two points and have a better result. Don't hold me to that religiously though. 

This is definitely food for thought. 


Here's a link to my blog archive by topic



Here's a post on My Road Out of Scientology



Here's a blog post on the book Give and Take by Adam Grant, entitled The Good, The Bad and The Ugly


The Good, The Bad and The Ugly









Scientology Reflections (9) Too Much Information!!!


Scientology Reflections (8) 10 Years After Leaving-A Painful Transition

 Scientology Reflections (8) 10 Years After Leaving-A Painful Transition



This is the eighth post in a series that I am publishing in 2024. The series is on the journey I have been on AFTER leaving Scientology and Dianetics and what my experiences were, and mistakes I made, and things that I learned, some shortly after leaving Scientology and others further along the way, even up to the present day. Some of this involves Scientology and Dianetics. Some involves the process of leaving a cult. Some is just knowledge that I could have benefited from knowing sooner, that may even be unrelated to the cultic topic entirely. 

For anyone who is unaware, I was in Scientology for twenty five years, between 1989 and 2014. I left in 2014 and discovered that Scientology is a harmful fraud and jam packed with lies and further it is composed of techniques plagiarized from other practices and sources. Ronald Hubbard had the ability to take a practice, file off the serial numbers and repackage it as his own in first Dianetics and later Scientology. 


L. Ron Hubbard. “Ron looks to the future with the sea org, ”

 Ronald Hubbard. 


One thing that I went through when I left Scientology was a literally physically painful process. It hurt me for several months.

While I was in Scientology for twenty five years I was so fanatical, so zealous, so devoted to constantly letting Ronald Hubbard do as much of my thinking for me as possible by trying to follow Scientology doctrine in EVERYTHING I thought that I was putting EVERYTHING I saw, read, heard, said, did, felt, or thought through a filter of trying to see what I thought Hubbard would think of the information or experience and have that guide me.

This is the end result of decades of cult indoctrination and hundreds, probably thousands, of hours of indoctrination in the courseroom and as a Scientology staff member and briefly as a Sea Org recruit. 

I was stunned after I left Scientology and within a few weeks of leaving Scientology I examined the evidence that Scientology is a harmful fraud that utilizes hypnotic techniques and I realized the fact that I was subjected to such techniques and mistook the euphoric trances that Scientology indoctrination can induce for transcendent spiritual experiences. 

I had a further obstacle to overcome that rapidly became obvious. I had to learn to think for myself. I discovered it as the two people that I turned to for guidance when I left Scientology were people who have very different opinions on some things, despite sharing similar beliefs about some aspects of Scientology.

I couldn't just parrot them both as they fundamentally disagree on some things, which was actually good for me because I didn't just blindly follow either one.

I started reading all sorts of books on psychology, cognitive dissonance theory, hypnosis, cults, critical thinking, and related subjects.

I observed that this was remarkably difficult for me. I was reading books that I could have read before I was in Scientology. I was seventeen years old when I was recruited into Scientology and had enjoyed reading books for years. I certainly had at least a tenth to twelfth grade reading level and enjoyed books by Stephen King for example.

After leaving Scientology and starting to read various books I realized that it was literally painful to try to read a book and decide what to believe, what to disagree with, and what to say, "I don't know enough about something to form an educated opinion on this idea." to.

I was dumbfounded and had to find a way to think for myself and not just reject or accept something completely, which I used to do based on the Scientology doctrine related to the subject or source. Hubbard agreed with this? Then I used to agree! Hubbard disagreed? Then I disagreed! It was simple! No thought required!

So, I was stuck in a very unpleasant bind. I knew that I had to study about cults, the history of cults, the techniques they used, the science regarding these methods and more, but I didn't know how to even read for myself as myself any more!

It's quite different to read as an independent person than as a mental slave who just wants to obey their master! 

So, what's one to do?

I can't claim this is a one size fits all solution or will work for you or any other particular person, but I feel that I should at least share it because it could help someone or it can get them to think of a better approach, or a better approach for themselves. It can also possibly help people who are not in cults to understand how deeply cult indoctrination can go. 

My solution that I came up with was to take a little notebook. I bought a bunch of these, they are tiny and maybe a few inches by a few inches. I would read my book and stop reading and write down the important ideas that I found in my notebook and I decided to make one side have ideas that I was agreeing with and eventually it became ideas that I would consider but not necessarily believe. Some are for consideration. 

On the other side of the notebook I would write ideas that I highly doubted or disagreed with and added ideas that I found to be things that I could not decide on. The uncertain.


This involved painful headaches and they persisted for months. Perhaps a neuroscientist would have some idea about pathways getting work that had not been used in years or even atrophied. 

I am not going to pretend to fully understand the phenomena.

As more and more books were devoured and I came to do more and more thinking for myself, including deciding what to believe, what to disagree with, what to doubt, what to question and what to explore further, the headaches became less frequent and mercifully less painful until they eventually completely went away. 

I eventually was realizing that I was forming my own beliefs and gradually integrating different ideas from different sources and seeing connections and gaps in the subjects. I kept finding more and more subjects that I felt compelled to explore as they addressed different aspects of the larger whole. 

I have read perhaps a hundred or so books since leaving Scientology in 2014. I went from struggling in extreme pain and making very slow progress in reading with very poor retention and understanding to eventually over many months getting to be able to read about fifty pages per hour and retain much of what I read well enough to write extensively on most of what I read. 

I developed a habit of writing about the things that drew my attention and were important in my eyes to understand, the lies in Scientology that were important to analyze and debunk, the history of the subject that was portrayed in a false manner in the cult indoctrination and which I wanted to thoroughly expose the truth about. 

I wanted to take the techniques that were used on me in Scientology and treat them as a web of lies to untangle myself from to hopefully break the spell of undue influence that Hubbard cast on his followers.

I wanted to know what Scientology founder Ronald Hubbard studied, what he plagiarized, what he hid in Scientology and what he thought was happening in Scientology and what was actually happening in Scientology. I already knew what he said was happening to his followers. 

I took the time to look at the work done by others, in particular Jon Atack (the most) and other people who had worked to dissect cults and Scientology in particular. (His work at The Underground Bunker by Tony Ortega is especially relevant and accessible in my opinion.) Jeff Jacobsen and Arnie Lerma and a few others had done excellent work and experts on cults in general such as Margaret Singer, Robert Jay Lifton (eight criteria for thought reform in particular), Daniel Shaw, Janja Lalich, Alexandra Stein, Steve Hassan, Leon Festinger and a few others. I read about psychology, hypnosis, rhetoric, critical thinking and other related subjects. 

I learned that writing about the books and topics that I examined helped me to fully form my own ideas. This is something that John Stuart Mill elaborated on in his short classic book on critical thinking, On Liberty. 

The idea that we need to present our ideas, communicate them and even get feedback on them to even understand them is important to me.

I found that writing about and presenting my ideas and then getting feedback from others and working to make my ideas clear to them and also to fill in any parts that I hadn't presented or presented clearly enough resulted in much better retention of my ideas by me, better understanding by me, and greater ability to explain my ideas and integrate or compare or contrast them against other ideas, including ideas from other subjects.

I feel that the overall result of all this work is a level of independent and critical thinking that is far better than what they were from twenty five years of Scientology indoctrination. It in my opinion may have got me back to where I was at regarding these aptitudes before I heard of Scientology. Which, while certainly not perfect, is much better than it was. 


The process was rough and gradual. The writing I have done has been frankly rough. It was almost pure stream of consciousness initially, with lots of things coming out rapidly and my mind just creating thoughts and dumping them out as fast as I can write and then very gradually I started to read what I had written and edit for spelling and grammar errors and poor substitutions by autocorrect, then eventually for grammar errors and eventually for errors in tense and other inconsistencies.

Then even more awareness of the need to slow down and actually proofread the entire content of anything I have written before publishing it came into effect. 


Now, I have no claim of being a great writer, but hope to at least have become more clear, concise, and comprehensible and to have largely rehabilitated my own independent and critical thinking capacities. 

I think that the road from totally zealous and fanatical cult member who in my opinion would kill or die for a cult to someone who has zero willingness or interest in doing anything like that is worth pursuing, but it has to be a personal decision, a personal effort or it won't work. 


Here's a link to my blog archive by topic:



Scientology Reflections (8) 10 Years After Leaving-A Painful Transition