This is a post with more information from an exchange between another ex Scientologist and myself regarding OT VIII . I am not using the other person's name here as I do not have permission . I will just call her Songbird .
Songbird comment below.
This brings to mind when I spoke to Dr Megan Shields a while ago. She is an OT 8, $cientologist for years and an M.D. $cio doctor the church sends people to see for medical care. Megan let me know that both her children ( while in $cientology ) had committed suicide ( which is a very sad thing ) I feel for her. The wild part was she had found a couple who agreed to conceive for her and they did. Megan has the female child and fully believes that this is her daughter that committed suicide reincarnated. Megan said to me she couldn't understand why there wasn't a program within the Church for the children who weren't doing well as there were too many suicides with $cientology children. I was taken back by this comment as I hadn't heard of this happening. But then again you wouldn't because it would be covered up or a shore story passed around among the $cientology public. End Songbird quote.
She has attained OT VIII Truth revealed - it is delusion replacing sanity . from Hubbard's use of reversals .If you tear apart all of the bridge and read psychiatrist's evaluations of people from the OT levels they find them to induce severe hallucinations and delusions .
And OT VIII is intentionally designed to eradicate any vestige of sanity and the ability to distinguish reality from delusion - truth suppressed . With no more bridge the cult member is meant to completely surrender to delusion . I am not exaggerating as I have met OT VIIs and heard of their wins and realizations .
They are fully immersed in Hubbard's lies . Examples ? Okay , I have heard of their completions and they often realize that EVERYTHING that happens is in their control . Not everything they do or think or feel - EVERYTHING ever anywhere .
I have heard of a woman who comped and she said she would fix the United States by becoming president !!! No political experience or allies or funding - by postulate alone . She believed it .
Next a common win for OT VIIIs - a guy realized that the things he postulated a certain way ALWAYS were exactly how he decided and everything he did not care about was outside his control - for randomity !!! So ,every abuse of a child , every rape , every crime and injustice in his mind was either not real or not something he cared about ! To maintain the illusion of his godhood . This was around from a concept early in Scientology of an OT beyond the influence of the physical universe . The OT VIIIs felt they achieved this .
For a while they had a meme other Scientologists emulated - they would whenever they saw or had to deal with something unpleasant say " Well , in my universe.."meaning they believed that Scientology restored them to being a literal god with a capital G of their own home universe where they are the supreme being and create EVEYTHING by will alone .
They were sold the idea that long ago we each had our own universe as an illusion we created by decision and had total supreme control of . Equivalent to being a monotheistic God within that universe - eternal , immortal ,all knowing ,all powerful with no need for a body .
They felt that they could regain access to and control of that universe and make it better than this one . They would say "Well , in my universe there is no pain" or "in my universe there are no lies" or "in my universe that never happens" . And the funny thing is they would not face the thing they denied in their universe in real life !! I mean they literally just acted like because they did not agree to create it that meant it no longer exists in real life !!!
Despite it obviously being exactly the same as before they made their speech .
Anybody think Scientology is not harmful now ? It makes the sane insane .